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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
354 Posts

Posted - 22 Jan 2006 :  22:04:26  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Women in Leadership

It is not true that women dont lead any kind of ministries at PH. I am attending a womens prayer night run by my Pastors wife, and I am pretty sure she is a woman. The bible says that women should not have any authority over a man. (But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man..1 Tim. 2:12) The message translation says "1Ti 2:11 I don't let women take over and tell the men what to do. " This translation brings out the promise from way back in the garden Gen 3:16 ........ and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. barnes says-- "Thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." This is evidently a piece of that retributive justice which meets us constantly in the administration of God. The woman had taken the lead in the transgression. In the fallen state, she is to be subject to the will of her husband. "Desire" does not refer to sexual desire in particular. Gen_4:7. It means, in general, "turn," determination of the will. "The determination of thy will shall be yielded to thy husband, and, accordingly, he shall rule over thee."

People sometimes confuse authority with leadership. Women are called to partner with their husbands, this is true in support of thier husbands ministries as well, to be a helpmeet for him. Barnes also pionts out--Under fallen man, woman has been more or less a slave. In fact, under the rule of selfishness, the weaker must serve the stronger. Only a spiritual resurrection will restore her to her true place, as the help-meet for man.

In Tit 2:3 "Let the aged women likewise be in reverent behavior, not slanderers, not enslaved by much wine, teachers of good; Tit 2:4 that they may train the young women to love their husbands, to love their children," The women are commanded to be leaders and teachers of other women. These women are leaders in the church, but don't have authority over men.

It is a blessing to women to not be the headship as Jam 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

I am sure I have heard the sermon you talk about from ps mitchell, must have been last year conference in perth which the mp3's are on http://www.pottersclub.com


Posters Comment: This was in response to a question asked in a news group: "What are womens positions are in the Church."

http://www.pottersclub.com/articleshow.asp?art_num=81

thflores
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 :  13:31:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
thgis is a bunch of rubish I will challenge anyone who thinks that this is truth
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kevtherev
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Australia
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 :  16:56:55  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
This was a women responding to an earlier post not referenced here, so it may start a little muddled, but she is stating that it is a blessing to not be the headship, but still there are many avenues for expression, Study, Service and teaching for Women.

The author may not be a bible school scholar but has some very good practical points.

The correct way to challenge, would be to write your response with contextual scriptural reference, that way it has real weight - otherwise some may think that your short rebuttal, is of no substance. It may also help to do a small bible study on the matter and provide that. Your challenge does not have to be word perfect just a little more detailed about your actual issues with the article, remembering the person who wrote the article, is imperfect like all of us, so a little respect and a lot of grace goes a long way and will serve you well.

Thanks from Kev - Forum and Site Admin
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nick
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Australia
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 :  20:44:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
If this is "pastor" Flores, this person emailed me for ages. Like above, they had hostility straight up and showed little signs of civil discussion or debate. I just ignored it. Like you say Kev, if there is a genuine study with scripture and good references you would take notice. I mean people could come onto this site and say, "I can prove the bible wrong" of something similar, well that is great but I don't thing any of us will bother too much, unless you have some very good pionts.

Nick.
www.waymanmitchell.com

www.waymanmitchell.com www.pottershouse.com
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thflores
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 :  14:08:51  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
it just shows that you have no real bases for any of your points. tell me then is the facts that I wrote about pastor mitchell coming from a church fellowship started by a woman true or not.
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thflores
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 :  14:18:58  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
are we afraid to post responses. I thought this was open forum. it's amazing that any time someone posts a response that is challenging you take it off or choose to not respond. so who is the ignorant one
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thflores
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 :  14:22:35  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
i gave scripture references and am making a true scriptural responce, but because it put you in a spot you play it like I'm being hostile, why don't you respond to what i wrote rather than take my responce off.
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thflores
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 :  23:09:42  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
by the way, Nick when did i say i could prove the Bible wrong?
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kevtherev
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Australia
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 :  23:33:26  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Umm. Nick was not saying that - he said that anybody could say what they want, and sprout off the wall statements, like "I can prove the bible wrong" - it does seem that you "Pastor Flores" lack the sevelity that is a major character of a Christian, we as Christians are to be long suffering and respectful - no personal attacks will help your cause - Just contextual scripture in an ordered fashion.

Please try get a copy of the eight rules of interpretation http://www.forumsau.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21 , which if you study as per these you shall arrive at the conclusion and have a valid methodolgy or study notes on how you have arrived at the particular conclusion, This allows others to back track and to check your study and thus prove one way or another a particular point.

Pastor Flores - I encourage you to post on this site, but ask for you to take a fresh look at each study first, and advise you that it is best to be a little more encouraging of others. Maybe even prepare something offline first and then post so as your emotions do not overtake you in the heat of moment.

Another good place to post issues is at http://www.forumsau.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=3 it allows all christians a chance to participate in your raised issue, not just Potters House members in here.
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InTheShadows
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USA
90 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2006 :  08:24:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ummmm....I'm not a member of the Potter's House. Isn't this open to "all"?

Someone stole my sig
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thflores
Sub Lieutenant

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Posted - 03 Sep 2006 :  14:30:33  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I showed complete scriptures in my statement and followed all 8 rules carefully. why don't you post it so all could see? I gave scripture and my argument was valid. I heard Mitchel's take on woman in church 2006 Perth conference and must say it was a poor interpretaion of scripture. what i heard was personal opinion with alot of amens rather than what the word says. prove me wrong by showing me what scripture he used that ratained to the subject without his personal take. he does not even use the 8 rules. and this is not a personal attack on him in any way. i'm just standing on the word. we all have a right to question a statement or a teaching and see if it matches with scripture. No matter who is preaching the word wheather it is Wayman Mitchel or Billy Graham no one is above that. show me scripture that hold this truth without personal interpratation and I will admit that I am wrong if I am
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thflores
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Posted - 03 Sep 2006 :  14:31:25  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
The Word says that God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh and your sons and doughters wlll prophesy (Joel 2:28-29) and the word prophesy here is the word (preach / proclaim the good news). another scripture states in (Gal 3:28)"There is niether Jew nor greek nor slave nor free,nor male or female but all are one in Christ Jesus (equal). this is the same word (one) that Jesus used when he said "the Father and I are one" (John 10:30) stating that Jesus and God are equal in power and authority. what we are dealing with here in scripture when it comes to woman. is that woman have the same authority as a man when it comes to ministering authority. some may say woman do not have authority over men in a Potters House Church. but try disagreeing with your pastor's wife and see what authority she really does have. I agree that a woman probably should not be the senior Pastor, but there are many woman in scripture that held high authority over men. and the same people who say woman do should not have authority have books about woman that had authority, I know many Potter's House and Door churches where the pastor has books by Kathryn Kuhlman, Maria Woodworth Etter, and old Amie Simple in thier library...if they truly don't believe this than why do they read about them and honor them, is it becuase God used them mightly and we respect that. Wow! amagine that God using a woman to reach the world. and how many husbands were brought to church by a praying wife, it's just another lie from the enemy to keep 50% of the church silent. lets take a scenerio "If Kathryn Khulman was still alive and she came wanting to minister in your church would you really say no.

Just for the record: lets not forget that Pastor Wayman Mitchell was saved in a church fellowship that was started by a woman, and went to a Bible Collage that was started by a woman (LIFE Bible Collage). What if God did not allow the Church or the Bible Collage that he went to, to exist becuase it was a woman that started it, Pastor Mitchell may never have found his call and this whole fellowship may never existed and you and I may still be in the world living in sin and he may not be who he is today if it were not for a woman. (lets give honor were honor is due) so don't bash woman in leadership too much remember that the roots of the Potter's House do come from a ministry that was started by a woman. *Please excuse my spelling

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nick
Commander

Australia
240 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2006 :  21:24:31  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Yeah shaddow

Nick.

www.waymanmitchell.com www.pottershouse.com
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InTheShadows
Lieutenant Commander

USA
90 Posts

Posted - 15 Oct 2006 :  06:36:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey, what happened here? My post is gone.

Someone stole my sig
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nick
Commander

Australia
240 Posts

Posted - 15 Oct 2006 :  15:11:37  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Dunno?

www.waymanmitchell.com www.pottershouse.com
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abigurl2005
Midshipman

3 Posts

Posted - 06 Dec 2006 :  07:33:07  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Im a woman, and I honestly understand why we should not have an authority position in the church, not that we cant study or preach, believe me there are a lot of great christian women out there and they can preach real well in the open air meetings, but were not made to stand behind the pulpit. and dont get me wrong, jesus evangelized to women and healed them, but he never appointed them as an apostle, or pastor.

-Abigail-
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