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kevtherev
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Posted - 22 Jan 2006 :  21:24:56  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Tithing

What is the position of Potters House on tithing?

The Potters House is an advocate of tithing - or giving one-tenth of one's personal income to support the work of God, i.e. the local church. The Potters House believe tithing is a acknowledgment that all we have comes from God. The practice checks our greed, promotes personal discipline and frugality, testifies to our faith and trust, and promotes God's work in the world. While we do not believe tithing to be work that brings salvation, we do believe it is a very important that one obey God's Word, for to disobey the Word of God will cost your eternal life.

Christ said in Matt 7:

Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This biblical model, of giving 10% of your increase, should set the minimal standard for Christian giving for people in all income ranges and should be followed after one has received the free gift of salvation.
Though some people falsely believe tithing was is only Old Testament practice not intended for New Testament Christians, the Potters House believes and teaches that tithing is still God's plan for supporting the ministry and reaching the world with the gospel. The Potters House preaches the duty of tithing and urges all Christian people to pay tithes to God.


Many are in opposition to tithing today quoting Matthew 23:23 as proof text. In misquoting this text, they actually twist Jesus' words to teach just the opposite of what Jesus plainly said. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices... But you have neglected the more important matters of the law–justice, mercy and faithfulness." Stopping at that spot in the verse might allow some misinterpretation. But Jesus continued, "You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former." From this we see that Jesus regarded the Old Testament practice of tithing as continuing into the new covenant under which we now live.

In actuality the origin for the Christian's practice of tithing predates the giving of the Old Testament law. Abraham tithed in response to God's blessing and faithfulness (Genesis 14:18-20) and was no doubt blessed because of his faithful tithing. Under the law, proceeds from the tithes were directed primarily for the support of the Levites and priests who provided religious leadership (Numbers 18:21-29) and for the relief of the needy (Deuteronomy 14:22-29). Today's church still relies on the support of obedient tithers.

CONCERNS:


By not tithing believer becomes disobedient to the clear Word of God. If a believer refused to love his brother, (1Jo 3:14, 1Jo 3:17, 1Jo 4:20, 1Jo 5:2,) forgive others (Mt 6:15, Mt 18:35, Lu 11:4) , witness (Lu 9:26, Mt 10:33, Mr 8:38, 2Ti 2:12), etc, so too will we be in rebellion against God if we don't tithe (Mal 3:8-10, Ro 2:21, Eph 4:28, Joh 14:15, Joh 14:23, 1Co 16:22, 2Th 1:8, 1Pe 4:17)

Christians can also miss out on God's abundant blessing by looking on the tithe as the total requirement for giving. The tithe is only one characteristic of support for the church and its ministry of spreading the gospel. The Bible also mentions voluntary offerings given by God's people over and above the obligatory tithe. Primarily, the mind-set with which both tithes and offerings are given is very important. God loves a cheerful giver (2 Corinthians 9:7). God commands us to give and The giving of either tithes or offerings with a grudging spirit loses much of the blessing that can come as we faithfully give out of love rather than debt.

The Potters House is also apprehensive about people who withhold tithes when they do not like decisions and directions espoused by spiritual leaders. Christians should fellowship with a local body of believers and bring their whole tithes into that storehouse (Malachi 3:10). Though some of the Israelites may not have liked decisions made by Moses and his successors, they were given no alternative. While some may delegate a portion of their offerings (beyond the tithes) to ministries outside the local church, such as conferences, foreign support etc, the tithes rightfully belong in the local church, where the Christian identifies themselves. And if one is not identifying with a local body of believers, he or she takes no heed of God's instruction; that we not forsake assembling together with believers (Hebrews 10:25).

Some "Christians" do not tithe, claiming they cannot afford to give up 10 percent of their income. Simple arithmetic may suggest that 90 percent will not go as far as 100 percent in satisfying essential family needs. But God has built a multiplication factor into our giving of tithes and offerings. Malachi recorded God's words, "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it." (Malachi 3:10). Though we do not give to God in order to get more back, as some suggest we should, God's promises are still true–if our giving is according to His instruction.

Lu 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


Easton's bible dictionary states:

Tithe

A tenth of the produce of the earth consecrated and set apart for special purposes. The dedication of a tenth to God was recognized as a duty before the time of Moses. Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek Ge 14:20 Heb 7:6 and Jacob vowed unto the Lord and said, "Of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." The first Mosaic law on this subject is recorded in #Le 27:30-32 Subsequent legislation regulated the destination of the tithes Nu 18:21-24,26-28 De 12:5,6,11,17 14:22,23 The paying of the tithes was an important part of the Jewish religious worship. In the days of Hezekiah one of the first results of the reformation of religion was the eagerness with which the people brought in their tithes 2Ch 31:5,6 The neglect of this duty was sternly rebuked by the prophets #Am 4:4 Mal 3:8-10 It cannot be affirmed that the Old Testament law of tithes is binding on the Christian Church, nevertheless the principle of this law remains, and is incorporated in the gospel 1Co 9:13,14 and if, as is the case, the motive that ought to prompt to liberality in the cause of religion and of the service of God be greater now than in Old Testament times, then Christians ought to go beyond the ancient Hebrew in consecrating both themselves and their substance to God. Every Jew was required by the Levitical law to pay three tithes of his property
1. one tithe for the Levites;
2. one for the use of the temple and the great feasts; and
3. one for the poor of the land.


The tithe means ten percent. By comparing Ge. 14:20 with He. 7:2 we see that the tithe is ten percent of one's income.

OLD TESTAMENT GIVING. There were at least nine different occasions for giving in the O.T. economy under the Law of Moses. All giving and sacrifice is a way of honoring and worshiping God (Pr. 3:9). Consider the following types of offerings Israel brought to God:

TITHES UNDER THE LAW (Le. 27:30; De. 14:22; Ne. 12:47; Mal. 3:8-12). Apparently there were two tithes in Israel: The first tithe was given to sustain the priests (Nu. 18:21-24; De. 12:19). The second tithe was eaten before the Lord by the offerers (De. 12:17-18; 14:23- 27). This second tithe was taken out of that which remained after the Levites were satisfied, and was given every third year (De. 14:28-29).

Redemption money (Le. 27:3-7). Firstborn (Ex. 13:2,12; 22:30; 34:19; Le. 27:26). The firstborn animals were not to be worked or sheared, but sacrificed before the Lord (De. 15:19-20).
Sacrificial offerings (Le. 1-6).
Corners (Le. 19:9-10; De. 24:19).
Freewill offerings and vows (Le. 22:17-19; 27:1-29; Nu. 6:13-21; De. 12:6,11; 23:21-23).
Firstfruits (Ex. 23:19; De. 26:1-4).
Sabbath of the land (Le. 25:1-7).
Year of Jubilee (Le. 25:8-34).

IS TITHING TO BE PRACTICED BY THE N.T. CHRISTIAN?
Abraham Commenced it (Ge. 14:18-20).
Jacob Continued it (Ge. 28:20-22).
Moses Confirmed it (Le. 27:30).
Malachi Commanded it (Mal. 3:10).
Jesus Commended it (Mt. 23:23).
God Commissioned it (1 Co. 9:14).
Paul Conformed it (1 Co. 16:2).
A study of these Scriptures shows that tithing is a scriptural principle. Abraham and Jacob tithed 500 years BEFORE the Law was instituted. Moses, Malachi, and Jesus spoke of tithing DURING the period of the Law. The Apostle Paul explained tithing AFTER the Law. Christians ought to tithe!

HOW SHOULD CHRISTIANS PRACTICE TITHING? Under the Law tithing was commanded. Under Grace, we do not tithe legalistically, but because we love the Lord (2 Co. 5:14), we give in the power that grace gives us.. Do you think God would ask less love, less faith, and less cheerful giving from a N.T. Christian than from a Jew under the Law? Tithing, for the Christian, is not a matter of legalistic bondage; it is obedience to the Spirit that brings freedom.

WHERE SHOULD A CHRISTIAN PLACE HIS OR HER TITHE?
(1) According to Mal. 3:10, the tithes were to be brought into the storehouse. For the Jews, this storehouse was the Temple at Jerusalem.
(2) According to Acts 4:35,37 and Acts 5:2, the Christians brought their tithes and offerings to the Apostles' feet.
(3) According to 1 Co. 16:2, we are to lay up our giving in store. Subsequent verses show this store was the Church at Corinth, to whom the Epistle was first addressed.
(4) Today the storehouse for your tithe is your CHURCH. It is not God's plan for you to give your tithe wherever you decide.

WHY ARE WE TO PLACE OUR TITHE INTO OUR CHURCH?

The tithes and offerings in the O.T. were used for the Temple and the Temple ministry (i.e., the priests, etc.) (Mal. 3:10). 1 Co. 9:13-14 applies this principle to the N.T. church. "Do you not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? EVEN SO hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel." Verse 13 relates to the O.T. practice. Verse 14 carries this practice over to N.T. churches. Your tithes and offerings are for the support, upkeep, and ministry of your Church. Tithes should never be designated--they are to be left free for use as the church decides.

WHAT DOES GOD CALL US IF WE REFUSE TO TITHE? "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings" (Mal. 3:8).

WHAT IS THE PROMISE GOD GIVES TO THOSE WHO FAITHFULLY TITHE?
"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there should not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10).

WHOSE IS THE TITHE?
The tithe is the Lord's (Le. 27:30). Ten percent of your gross income is not yours--it belongs to God.

HOW CAN I PLEASE MY LORD WHEN TITHING?
(1) Give the Lord first place in everything (Mt. 6:33).
(2) Honor the Lord with your first fruits (Pr. 3:9-10). This means to set aside the tithe first--before all other bills and expenses. If you leave the tithe until last, God usually misses out.
(3) Bring the tithe on the Lord's day (1 Co. 16:2).

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InTheShadows
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Posted - 15 Oct 2006 :  08:05:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My thoughts are in Matthew 23:16-19, Jesus is saying the Pharisees thought more of the gold and the gifts (tithes?) that were placed on the altar more than the altar (and perhaps what it represented)itself. Why would Jacob, in Gen 28:20-22, say he would tithe if (if God gave him what he asked for)if it was already required of him? Paul's collection for the saints would of been the gifts (tithes) that the people brought in and it would be distributed to "everyone" that was in need like in Acts 4:32-36. This doesn't seem to happen in today's church. I know that some would say that today's world has social security, welfare and so forth to meet "those" needs of the people. If you are going to truly give the way the bible suggests, the churches should give to the people who are in need/poor. If tithing is so important, and I'm not saying that I don't believe in it, why do we not see Jesus teaching the disciples or the people about it? If we are considered "robbers" to God for not obeying what He says about tithing, why so little mention of it in the New Testament? Would you of the Potter's House feel it wrong for a person to take their tithe money and go out and buy the pastor and his family groceries? I've know that sometimes it is hard for a pastor to raise his family while studying (if he's in college still) and his congregation is small, to have money for food. Does not this go along the Old Testament thinking of some people bringing bulls, lambs, other animals to the temple or the place where the priests would do the sacrafices and after it was offered to the Lord, the priests would take a fork like object and stab it into the boiling pot (I'm doing this in my own words so forgive me here) and whatever got stuck to it, that was what he took home with him for his family and house?

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nick
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Posted - 15 Oct 2006 :  14:53:17  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
There are hundreds of Refs to tithes and offerings. Paul spoke about this and said to gather it on the first day of the week.

A book I recomend is The Blessed Life by Robert Morris. I don't think it is really up the the church to disctate how a pastor is to be provided for, as bying grocerys may not pay the light bill etc. Running a church can be like running a business, there are overheads, things that need payment on certain times, rent for both the Pastor and the church building, cleaning costs, travel costs, etc.

I think if you cannot trust the man of God, why are you going to that church? My previous pastor who is a missionary now used to always say that if anyone struggled with finaces and wanted to know where it all goes that he would openly show the books. We do a yearly financial night where we show on a Power Point presintation where all the money has gone, it was amazing that 30,000 went to overseas missionaries. We were all amazed!

Nick.

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InTheShadows
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 :  00:46:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wasn't saying that you couldn't trust the man of God with the money he recieves from the congregation, I was thinking more on the lines of helping them if anyone saw that they were in need, especially if they had a very small congregation which would not be able to bring in that much money. I remember hearing a story once of a pastor who was barely scraping by and it was Christmas and he had no money to buy anything for his family. A knock came at his door and when he opened it, there were bags of groceries and even a Christmas tree on the porch.

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nick
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 :  23:19:32  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Yeah,I am convicted, I suppose we get conditioned to always recieve from men of God, but rarely do we bless. Thanks for that.

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InTheShadows
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 :  09:20:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your welcome!

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