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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 08 Jan 2009 :  00:35:34  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
hi,

I have attempted in the past to construct a potters house family tree, sort of like a regular family tree but consisting of churches from our fellowship. I would also like to write a brief history of our fellowship.
For some reasons or others, I have failed to complete this to date and I would like to use this forum (if moderators allow) To spark a wider interest in the writing of the history of our fellowship.
when I say writing the history, I am primarily concerned with dates and figures. I am interested in the growth and failings of churches but not in the whys of those failings. I am interested in when churches were planted and how long they were established for, how long it took to establish a church of such and such a number, but not the reasons of why it took thus long.
I want figures, not reasons.
What would help most is if people could detail when their church was established, from what conference and who the mother church is. thus we can get an accurate family tree.

Anyone can email me information which will be held confidential.
hope to hear from you.

the new place for this is here http://www.pottershouse.com.au/mediawiki edited by admin

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nick
Commander

Australia
240 Posts

Posted - 08 Jan 2009 :  01:43:16  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
A few years back I sat down with Bruce Callahan and we went through some of the history of the Australian fellowship, it was very interesting to hear of how God had used him in a unique way to touch many lives within Australia. I know that 2 conferences ago, Peter fields interviewed both Mitchell and Warner. I am not sure where that went. The Bio of Wayman Mitchell, and Unto the Ends of the Earth were well done. A classic is "Go Ye" which was written before "An Open Door" (available here http://www.pottersclub.com/An_Open_Door.htm) is rare as hens teeth. Tilli had those for sale about 5 years back.

I suppose it is really stats you are after. Contacting the Perth church could be helpful because they have accurate stats on all the churches from all the gold sheets. I would give some time though after the recent developments. It would be good though for a new book concerning the Australian chapter of the PH.

If anyone has any PH books scanned in, studies, teachings, I will put them on www.WaymanMitchell.com and/or www.Pottersclub.com . I know Warner runs his guys through a bible study course before he sends them, that would be good to upload.

Nick.

www.waymanmitchell.com www.pottershouse.com
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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 09 Jan 2009 :  19:32:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
hi,
OK, Thsi is probably a long shot, but these are the types of questions I need answered to put in some details for a family tree.

Right at the start of the planting of churches, there was a church planted from prescott to Cottonwood. From reading the Door I get the idea it did not last very long but does anyone have any idea of dates this church was planted and dates it closed down?

thanks for any help.
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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  00:04:24  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
ok well, closer to home then.
I dont suppose anyone knows the Year of the first Potter Newsletter. It is from an August conference. I am guessing it is 1981 or 1982 as Issue no4 clearly has april 1983
It is the same year that Alice springs was pioneered by Laurie and Sue Dyer, As well as the same year that a couple from flagstaff were sent to brisbane.
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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  10:04:54  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Well, maybe someone will know this one.
1982 port headland church was started by peter trott and then pastor callahan
Does anyone know if there were any other pastors at port headland or did that church finish when pastor callahan went to lismore?
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griller
Lieutenant

Australia
49 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  10:10:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Someone from Geraldton went to Port Hedland after Bruce. I can picture his face but have forgotten his name! Don't you HATE that!!!

Aha! Laurie Dynes (Dines) - woohoo!

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griller
Lieutenant

Australia
49 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  10:48:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Or Eric Dynes, I think it was Laurie :) (so close to Laurie Dyer it always confused me)

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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  14:42:50  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
So was port headland planted by geraldton? Do you know what year?
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griller
Lieutenant

Australia
49 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  15:22:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No PH was planted by Peter Trott. Then Bruce I think, then Dynes. Could be wrong, may be put this time line to others and see if it rings true.
May have stopped at Dynes. (Should go there now with the boom and all!)

I think first Potter was 82-ish, with Mary Kelly (nee McKellar) heading it up, well organising it, not heading. PH faux pas! :)

I probably have it somewhere!
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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  17:38:51  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Oh, I have a copy of the first potter, but it has no date.
I dont have a copy of issue 2 or 3 but then I have issue 4 that has the date of April 1983.
So back to Port headland, do you know what year It was launched, and was Peter trott from beechborogh(scarborough)
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griller
Lieutenant

Australia
49 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  21:08:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Peter was, in fact, out of Mt Lawley (but same as Scarborough/Beechboro) and that was before I joined, so would have been Feb 1982.
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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2009 :  21:38:07  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
thanks, plse keep watching cause ihave more questions about the early days.
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ahoyPH
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
24 Posts

Posted - 11 Jan 2009 :  09:48:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The couple from Flagstaff - Ray & Sally Hendricks, didn't go to Brisbane. They went to Melbourne somewhere, then down to Hobart.
And I think Phil & Jenny Carvelle were planted the same time as the Dyers. And I think that was to Adelaide.

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griller
Lieutenant

Australia
49 Posts

Posted - 11 Jan 2009 :  16:19:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ahoyPH, true on the Carvelles. Also on the Hendricks. They were/are a great couple. wonder what they are doing now?
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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 11 Jan 2009 :  17:01:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi griller, thanks for the confirmation, althought I really dont want anyone to get into a discussion on who is doing what now or then, I really just want this thread to stick to facts and figures, otherwise it will get too long to read and get messy.

Thanks for your input on it, you may be able to shed some light on the brisbane area. I got the idea that someone from flagstaff came to brisbane from an open door. It can be read online if you follow one of Nicks Links.
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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 11 Jan 2009 :  19:35:38  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi, I just wanted to clarify a few things.I got saved in 1982 and have seen a few changes.
Firstly, After BC in PH was Paul O'neil. He was the last in PH.
It was Mary McAuliffe before marrying a Kelly.
P Carvel came from Adelaide to pioneer in Collie WA, he was a foursquare pastor in SA. Larry Huck took Adelaide church.
Ray Hendrick went to Dandenong before Hobart. My memory is fading but I' sure those stats are correct

Ian Wilkie
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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 11 Jan 2009 :  19:58:35  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Nagle's took over Port Hedland from B Callaghan out of Port Hedland church, then the O'Neils

Ian Wilkie
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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 12 Jan 2009 :  02:18:18  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Dave and Debbie Nagle

Ian Wilkie
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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 12 Jan 2009 :  02:21:00  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Laurie Dynes went to Karratha or Carnarvon. Eric went to Mount Isa

Ian Wilkie
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griller
Lieutenant

Australia
49 Posts

Posted - 12 Jan 2009 :  09:15:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Historiographer

Mate, I have led you astray a bit. Ian is right about McAuliffe, (I picked the wrong one, there is also a McKellar but McAuliffe is right.) Never heard of Paul O'Neil (alzheimer's again?) but Ian is probably right again as the Dynes did go to Carnarvon. (though I did think they went to PH as well, but I'd go with Ian's version)

It's funny how a little more info makes things clearer.

I'll dip out of providing any more facts as clearly the years have not been good to me! :)

Sorry for the bum steers!

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ahoyPH
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
24 Posts

Posted - 13 Jan 2009 :  23:25:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Laurie went to Karratha.
Was Eric's Church in Mt Isa the first QLD work?

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Originally posted by ian wilkie

Laurie Dynes went to Karratha or Carnarvon. Eric went to Mount Isa


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PaulPichugin
Lieutenant Commander

Albania
57 Posts

Posted - 14 Jan 2009 :  03:03:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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ahoyPH
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
24 Posts

Posted - 14 Jan 2009 :  09:39:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great memory Paul!

Gavin & Sue Anderson, 4Square in Dunsborough, moved to Scarborough PH 1983where I met them, then pioneered in Brisbane.....but what year?.....1987?



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Originally posted by PaulPichugin

Gavin Anderson came to Brisbane and started the church that is now the Strathpine Church, he was originally foursquare, I'm not sure which church he came from though.

- paul


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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  19:27:48  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Laurie did go to Karratha. EricDynes went to Carnarvon. It was Eric Behiels (not sure spelling is correct) that went to Mt Isa. And I'm not sure if he went before the Anderson's went to Brisbane. I think the Anderson's went to Brisbane in '84 or '85 but not sure.

Ian Wilkie
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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  19:30:09  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Gavin and Sue Anderson were established in Mt Lawley PH before I got saved in June '82. The church moved to Scarborough 3 months later.

Ian Wilkie
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ahoyPH
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
24 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  20:11:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ian, did u cause the Church to move to Scarborough.hahaha

just joking.
Your memory is good, but not great.
Eric Beheils went to Mt Gambier in SA then left PH. (what was that all about???)

No church was planted into Carnarvon.

I get confused between the Dines boys so I'll follow your lead. And Gaving Anderson into Brisbane.... yeh, perhaps as early as 84/85.

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PaulPichugin
Lieutenant Commander

Albania
57 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  20:32:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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phil
Admiral

Australia
35 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  21:02:58  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Don,t forget Towoomba. It was always Brisbane, Lismore, and Towoomba, we got together for rally's revivals and church camps at Hastings Point. They really were great old days.
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ahoyPH
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
24 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  21:08:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
so....was Lismore the first QLD church then? By Bruce Callahan, before he took over Geraldton.....

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phil
Admiral

Australia
35 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  21:13:39  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Lismore is Northern New South Wales but we allways came together like family. Bruce Callaghan was our first pastor.
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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  21:29:28  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I am pretty sure that Eric Dynes went to Carnarvon for a time around the same time that his brother was in Karratha. Apologies about Beheils. You are absolutely right! It's the al What?

Ian Wilkie
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oldschool
Midshipman

1 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  21:42:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
G'day Guys,
Eric Dines was in Karatha around 84-88. Then to Hobart from 88-97.
Hendrick was in Towoomba early 80s, then Hobart until about 87 and then Dandenong for a couple of years about 89/90.
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ahoyPH
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
24 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  22:31:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thats it Holmes!!

Hendricks to Toowoomba in 1982 - the first QLD Church.
I remember him being at the Aug'82 conference in Mt Lawley. He didn't open in Toowoomba until Jan/Feb 1983 though.
Way to go team!!

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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 16 Jan 2009 :  01:51:01  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
So Laurie dines was in Carnarvon then? Old school old hat! Well done!

Ian Wilkie
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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 16 Jan 2009 :  01:52:54  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I do remember this about Ray H. My brother was in the army in Toowoomba at the time.

Ian Wilkie
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PaulPichugin
Lieutenant Commander

Albania
57 Posts

Posted - 16 Jan 2009 :  01:59:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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PaulPichugin
Lieutenant Commander

Albania
57 Posts

Posted - 16 Jan 2009 :  02:06:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oops I forgot Toowoomba:

Ray Hendriks, Don Rollinson, John Burgess, Steve Scott
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ian wilkie
Sub Lieutenant

11 Posts

Posted - 16 Jan 2009 :  13:11:06  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Steve Scott???
I just found out from a reliable source that Mark Visser took the Karratha church from Eric dines before the Letcher's took over

Ian Wilkie
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PaulPichugin
Lieutenant Commander

Albania
57 Posts

Posted - 16 Jan 2009 :  13:32:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
352 Posts

Posted - 16 Jan 2009 :  16:06:33  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
To the Histographer, and those using this forum topic,
If you would like me to create a display page showing the tree - just let me know - I can post the link here and it will be held on the forumsau.com server. If so send me what you have then I will write the page and then you can just email me changes and additions, that way you might get some better dates, and accuracy from the wider community putting in their 2 cents worth too.

If someone else would like to write the page I can give them access for uploding etc. Just let me know if its of any benifit.

Kev

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BEENZ
Sub Lieutenant

10 Posts

Posted - 20 Jan 2009 :  14:12:01  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hey I remember a bit more about NSW. The first Sydney Church was planted by Dale and Jan Reece into Merrylands near Parramatta. They were from Tempe Arizona.That was about 85 I think. Next came the Wollongong Church out of Scarborough with Stewart and Lisa Cameron in 86. There were a flood of churches into NSW the following year all in the Sydney area.To Marrickville Alex and Robin Smelovitis from Scarborough, Daryl and Gillian Elliott into Campbeltown from Geralton, Jeff and Leonie Bant into Newcastle from Scarborough, Neiland Anne Marie McCann into Hurstville out of Scarborough,hope this helps a little bit
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the historiographer
Midshipman

Australia
9 Posts

Posted - 23 Jan 2009 :  22:56:52  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi everyone, I am glad this has aroused disscussion. I will take up kevs offer and display the tree that I have so far. first I willcheck the discussion here with my info I have.
Thanks everyone.
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wcwarren
Midshipman

Australia
8 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  15:37:35  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi everyone.

I have started a user Wiki to document all this detail that is available. I've started mainly with the Australian churches but this method can be extended to document global history!

I'm very interested to see what people think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CFM-Churches

Thanks for your help.

Wes
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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
352 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  16:22:47  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Well done Wes - I think its a good idea the wiki - just a word of warning though - anyone can attack it and offer it up for deletion on wikipedia - so take good backups yourself.

I encourage all those interested in the history to contribute to this wiki - many talk but few act - so lets hope some people who know the geneolgy of the church will act and add their contribution - no matter how big or small that might be.

Thanks from Kev - Forum and Site Admin - Want to know what I am up to these days? See the latest website I am working on - http://www.VintageAntiqueRetro.com - A free Classifieds site for Vintage Antique Retro Collectables :)
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wcwarren
Midshipman

Australia
8 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  16:39:12  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Thanks Kev,

Great thought about the backup plan. I've tried a number of other methods and this one I think will go the furthest.

If it's supported then it will have real value for us all.

Wes
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rosie
Midshipman

7 Posts

Posted - 27 Jun 2009 :  11:36:17  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Wayman Mitchell has left Potters House Beechboro and his replacement arrives this coming week. Tom Payne, formerly from Gallup New Mexico. He is not only taking up the Pastorate of the church, but also he will be responsible for the entire Australian arm of the Fellowship!!
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rosie
Midshipman

7 Posts

Posted - 27 Jun 2009 :  11:44:58  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I went back that site 10 minutes later to check it again and it had been deleted!! what happened??
Rosie
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wcwarren
Midshipman

Australia
8 Posts

Posted - 27 Jun 2009 :  11:47:56  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
It seems that someone at Wiki does not like my approach. I will try and get the pages reinstated.

Wes
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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
352 Posts

Posted - 29 Jun 2009 :  22:43:19  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Those guys on wikipedia - are just going to crucify you - its their way or your banned permanently, I read what they wrote and indeed it is unfair, maybe you should do your own web page with the history and host it yourself at least you have a way of at least getting started.

I thought they might do that to you, i wish you well - dont let em beat you wes.

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kevtherev
Forum Admin

Australia
352 Posts

Posted - 29 Jun 2009 :  22:45:54  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
If you add all the numbers of pages and divide by the admins multiplied by the users at wikipedia you get 666 - LOL i am in a jovial mood.

Thanks from Kev - Forum and Site Admin - Want to know what I am up to these days? See the latest website I am working on - http://www.VintageAntiqueRetro.com - A free Classifieds site for Vintage Antique Retro Collectables :)
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wcwarren
Midshipman

Australia
8 Posts

Posted - 03 Jul 2009 :  18:14:44  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi all!

Well it's taken some effort but we have our own Wiki!

To add detail about church history on well ordered (hopefully) pages please visit this site:

http://www.pottershouse.com.au/mediawiki

I encourage everyone to edit your churches details with historical or other factual information.

More detail to come as I'm working on it now!

Thanks everyone for your contributions.

Wes
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wcwarren
Midshipman

Australia
8 Posts

Posted - 02 Aug 2009 :  09:06:18  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi all you history buffs,

I've finished creating pages for all the Australian churches (I think?) and many overseas works. Finally!

Please go to the site

http://www.pottershouse.com.au/mediawiki

and edit the details for YOUR church as a starting point. The tree is also starting to take shape with about 50 churches listed with their history.

Together we can build this site to be the best thing that has happened in knowing our fellowship since "An Open Door" and "We Can Take the Land".

See you there,

Wes

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