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crabby5167
Midshipman

United Kingdom
5 Posts

Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  22:47:58  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi
my girlfriend and i have been together for 19 happy years and have 2 lovely children together,my girlfriend has been attending a born again church and decided to be baptised..My questions are:
1. as we are not and have no intention of getting wed,will this be a problem to the church?
2,i am a non believer,will this be a problem?
3.if any of the above are a problem,what action will the church take?

please dont reply with bible phrases,just plain and simple please


i look forward to you reply

ian

ian

PhilMac
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
10 Posts

Posted - 13 Apr 2009 :  09:05:18  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Gidday mate ,1. Sadly what the bible does say is sex before marriage is wrong and that if you continue to do so, should result in asking you to leave the church or , get married , which is biblical and the right thing to do.
Getting baptised is a wonderful thing for you lady to do , and so she must be saved - born again to be partaker of it 2. For you being a non-believer two things may happen to you personally and thats god will touch your heart and youll get saved - born again , or eventually youll spit the dummy and leave.
Allot of partners who come to church , get saved , are changed inside and desire to give up bad things/habits they used to do or sex , cause deep down they want to do the right thing (marriage) and whish the other half would get saved too which is acknowledging god and that your a sinner - not perfect , and to be joined to god needed a perfect sacrafice = jesus ,shed his blood on the cross for all man kind even you . Its a simple prayer asking for forgiveness.
crabby when you look around i guess you see no hope but there is in jesus christ ,truely , i dont know lots about christianity but i am one cause deep down we all crave to be loved and there has to be a reason we are here / there , im in aussie land , oh go liverpool !!
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crabby5167
Midshipman

United Kingdom
5 Posts

Posted - 13 Apr 2009 :  22:49:22  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Thanks for your reply.
i dont feel the need to be saved,im very happy in my life,i have a brilliant relationship with my partner and kids,i dont hurt anyone,im very giving to all who know me.I just dont feel the need to marry because the church says its the correct thing to do.I think it would be very wrong to have a wedding to please other people.As of yet the church my partner attends have not mentioned our way of life as being sinfull.Surely to break up a happy family is more of a sin?Its a simple case of different beliefs......you have one and im fine without one......simple
If you step back and look at the state of our world,all the wars and fighting are all caused by religion,i have no religion and therefore have no blame in the state of world...simple..
Im happy plodding along,minding my own and not interfearing with peoples lives....

ian
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PhilMac
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
10 Posts

Posted - 14 Apr 2009 :  17:06:13  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Ian , im not trying to break up your family , ive tried to answer your qquestions as best possible . Some churches dont necessarily make the same stands as what it says in the bible ,and its actually god's word not the churches or any one church or denomination and so it comes down to personal conviction . I dont have what you have and that is a wonderful thing and these days relationships dont last a couple of years so anything over 10 years seems to be a miracle...
Obviously i believe god's real and so he would have the best plan for my life and anyone else whom chooses to follow . I used to be into sex, drugs rock'n'roll , fighting ,and came to a point in my life where i actually cried out ""god if your real prove it "" and thats where later on someone comes along to invite you to a church, concert, a church programme or you get a piece of paper with an invite to something .... so god hears our cries and answers them , we just forget what we said many times.
Relgion yes your right wars etc happen over that stuff , but christianity isn't religion , its a lifestyle change from the inside out, god touches your life when you acknowledge him as lord and saviour.
Religion is liviing like the devil 6 days a week and on sunday or the 7th day going to church pretending to be a good person , putting money in the offering boxes , taking communion , then come monday start up being an animal again . Oh yes sin is sin doesnt matter what kinds , just perving on a chick and lusting after her is sin , lying is sin , stealing is sin , we've all done it .... true even when we were kids doesnt matter to god how bad the sin and we cant justify it but we can deal with the thoughts and our actions , when we acknowledge god and his son jesus shedding his blood on the cross for our sin or our imperfections.
God requires judgement on our lives ,Everybody , even alla , budda , binladdin , all these cronies and more .To be cleared from hell god requires a perfect sacrafice , which was Jesus Christ , which brings us back into right fellowship with god and so when you die as a christian we dont fear death but rejoice as we're going to a better place and sad to say but those whom reject christ go to hell , wether they did good all their life or not. Heaven is by jesus christ and no other way and check this out Ian the gospel of jesus christ is so simple even kids can do it , just a prayer away .
Challenge you Ian , ask your church mates see what they have to say . As a christian you live free in christ , you dont understand , but i hope oone day you will , take care god bless you
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crabby5167
Midshipman

United Kingdom
5 Posts

Posted - 19 Apr 2009 :  04:46:59  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Cheers philmac
i forgot to mention that i was christened about 5 years ago along with our kids,it wasnt in a born again church,does this count?
I can see it is correct to be married in a perfect world but we just have no intention of tying the knot.I was told by a church member that if we didnt or i refused to marry that the church or its flock would prefer my partner to leave and either be single or find a christian partner,is this true? Something about being 'yoked with an unbeliever'.......
regards

crabby

ian
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PhilMac
Sub Lieutenant

Australia
10 Posts

Posted - 19 Apr 2009 :  09:51:35  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Gidday mate , well you know getting christened biblically doesnt mean allot . The catholic church does it , why ..... not sure , but my guess is ""an acknowledgement to god"" .
Being baptised is different thing , its in obedience to what Jesus did , so its following his way of life, and wanting to do so, Remember the bible was written along time ago for the Jews , then us (gentiles) you, me , anyone whom isnt a Jew, and you know the bible is for today as well. Has the best principles to live by.... True ay ""if god is real and he made heavens and the earth and us wouldnt you think he'd have the best plan for your life too."
Ian , the church didnt write the bible ,God did , theyre just following what it says ,as best they can , full well knowing that, it can be hard but hey anything worth while takes time effort, as you know man being together for 19 years with 1 person is amazing these days. No ones perfect, yet choose to follow Jesus cause he's real and its really true. Doesnt mean we're perfect , the bible says we all fall short of the glory of god ,( we aint perfect ) if we were perfect well the world wouldnt be the way it is now, But Jesus offers that hope , that one day when he returns to earth for his church (genuine christians)that we will be in paradise for eternity.
So the answer to the staying together is up to you too but By what the bible says , the church member is correct up to a point , the point being if you and your lady got married you can still go to church , because you are sanctified to each other , even if you choose not to go , thats up to you.Bible does say to kick out those whom chosse not to be yoked together (truth i got kicked out cause i was shagging a lady from church)we both got kicked out for a time, why cause you cant have that kind of sin running rife in the church, its like ,eg: baking bread "a little leavn unleavns the whole loaf". like an infection/ cold/flu , the spirit jumps on other single couple who want to do the right thing and keep clean holy before they get married . Unequally yoked is a term used in plowing the fields or in those days grinding the wheat so the oxen were teamed up in two's and walk around in circles all day, its that timber brace(stock) that keeps them together and same speed same objectives . So as christians if you both are then your both going in the same direction , but if one of you isnt , then you both tend to go different ways as in what you want and believe .....eg: she goes to church and you go to your "church"meaning the pub , so when you see each other later shes excited about the things of god , and your drunk or dont care or yo go liverpool etc ,as time goes on you both become different people inside and possibly grow appart. Try understand this for every Old Testiment Picture there is a New Testiment Principle. The 10 comandments , thou shalt not steal o/t pic , n/t priciple = you even think of stealing it is sin , same in thou shalt not commit adultry pic , n/t principle = you even lust after a woman you've commit sin . So is sex before marriage is wrong , and the reason a virgin girl bleeds when she 1st has sex is its a blood convenant between a male and female and god , true, and its a consumation of their lives to god . See for you and me to get to heaven God almighty requires a perfect blood sacrafice , so he sent his son jesus to die for us and all man kind , WHY cause he loves us and jesus was born flesh/ a baby and lived like us on earth , got the same temptations, desires , yet didnt sin , and so started the New Testiment , though it was prophecied along time before. Ian id recommend you both to get married , Yes i know its just a piece of paper as many have said , true , but if your lady wants to follow god and fellowship with christians , you need to do it . Im not trying to tell you what to do , but i am by what the bible says ,its my duty as a christian , take care , god bless you 2 ......... my hope /prayer is you find god for yourself , eventhough you may not think you need him , we all do . p mac
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crabby5167
Midshipman

United Kingdom
5 Posts

Posted - 08 May 2009 :  02:45:26  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Long time no speak,i hope you are well.I asked my partner about my issue and she told me there has been no pressure and our relationship has not been questioned.She has not been baptised yet but would the pressure start after she is?She also says she is in no rush to wed and would be pissed off if anyone questioned our living arrangement,she added that only god has the right to judge her.....all very confusinng!!!!

ian
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6 Posts

Posted - 30 May 2009 :  16:05:55  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi Ian! I read your dilemma, and I have to say that I really respect that you would actively seek an answer to this, not many would care enough! It all can get very complicated, I've attended church all my life and still get confused over what the bible teaches. I think, that when it all comes down to it; it's not what the church demands, it's what God asks. Try not to think of God laying down rules. God is the God of goodness and love, and what he asks of his people he asks for our good. Perhaps we can't always see why it may be for our good and so put it in our 'to hard' or 'cant be bothered' basket, but in trusting God, we do as he asks. I think its great that you and your partner have been together for so long, so many aren't, even christian's.
I don't like pointing this out, but Im a little confused...If your partner has committed to God to the extent that she wants to be baptised, why is she happy to remain unmarried? The bible teaches that sin is sin...it would be like someone stopping smoking and delaring their healthy now..., but going on to drink a bottle of bourbon a night. Being baptised is saying to God - I accept your sons sacrifice for me, and want to live by your rules, all of them.
Anyway - I very much believe that God gave us free will, so I'm not judging, just saying! If you disregard it, thats fine and I hope you both continue to have a great life and relationship!!

If today was you last day...?
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crabby5167
Midshipman

United Kingdom
5 Posts

Posted - 28 May 2010 :  21:42:18  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Since my last post my partner of 20 years decided her calling to god was more important than our relationship and decided to get baptised,the church demanded she leave her sinfull life with me,she left me and took the kids...She found a nice cristian man who she married....turns out he didnt like kids and was a violent man..the kids came back to me and she is now married in missery to a wife beater,which i guess is ok because he is a christian(lol)...Im in a new loving relationship and have found happiness again....i wont tell you what i think of christianity or their values.....pray for my ex....it may help her........i look forward to your ****ty answers

ian
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